The Grammar Vandal

Entries from July 2007

I don’t mean to get political, but….

July 30, 2007 · 9 Comments

I want to keep this blog free of politics. This is a grammar blog, not a political blog. If you want to learn more about my views on politics, look me up on Facebook or read some of katesadventures.com.

However, this picture was too good to resist:

We’ve got quotation marks. This guy is clearly a Catholic. You can’t forget about original sin! Those fetuses aren’t really innocent!

The best thing about this picture is that it could easily be changed with punctuation marks:
STOP THE DEMOCRATS! WAR AGAINST INNOCENT UNBORN CHILDREN!!!!
I think I like that much better.
From the emails I’ve received from you, I know that you feel the same way: because of this guy’s bad grammar, I seriously doubt his credibility. It has nothing to do with his views; I say this from a politically neutral position.
To all political protesters: If you want people to take you seriously, learn to use grammar correctly on your signs. That’s the first of many steps.

Categories: Grammar Errors · Politics

ATGV: Farther vs. Further

July 30, 2007 · 2 Comments

I’ve had three people ask me about this so far. Here are abridged versions of their emails to me:

Other peeves of mine include complete confusion of “farther ” and “further,” and, of course, the complete abandonment of “who” and “whom,” especially among news commentators and other cultural icons.
–Herb

If you locate [10 items or fewer signs in supermarkets] I would appreciate it if you would share it with your audience. If I see it, I guess I will take a photo with my cell phone and send it to you. Despite the “what are you nuts?” glares I will receive from fellow customers, I will do almost anything to further your worthy cause! Speaking of further and farther…must be a handful of those examples around, too!
–Linda

I’m so heartened to see your blog evidence that good grammar is more than just appropriate punctuation, it’s also about appropriate syntax and vocabulary. So, a question that’s been bounced around our offices and homes of late : Further and farther.When at school it used to be that farther was used to mean distance and further was used to mean something that was metaphorically removed or distant…
Of late, “further” seems to be used for everything. Should “farther” be used more, or at all, or has language evolved such that “further” is applied generically to all such situations?
–Shiny Happy Person

To be as concise as possible, farther refers to literal distance, while further refers to metaphorical distance.

From the AP Stylebook:

Farther refers to physical distance: He walked farther into the woods. Further
refers to an extension of time or degree: She will look further into the
mystery
.

From the American Heritage Dictionary:

Since the Middle English period many writers have used farther and further
interchangeably. According to a relatively recent rule, however, farther should
be reserved for physical distance and further for nonphysical, metaphorical
advancement….In many cases, however, the distinction is not easy to
draw.

If we speak of a statement that is far from the truth, for example, we
should also allow the use of farther in a sentence such as Nothing could be
farther from the truth
. But Nothing could be further from the truth is so well
established as to seem a fixed expression.

Now, that doesn’t seem to be correct to me. Nothing could be further from the truth is, in fact, correct. It isn’t physical distance that separates anything from the truth! Nothing could be farther from the truth is as incorrect as it is awkward. The first sentence was right all along; I don’t know why the dictionary authors wrote what they wrote. Nobody should ever use farther in that sentence.

Interestingly, this is what the Online Etymology Dictionary has to say:

There is no historical basis for the notion that farther is of physical distance
and further of degree or quality.

Hmmm.

Time for examples!

As I watched episode after episode of MTV’s Next with my roommate, Omni, I felt myself getting further away from intellectual stimulation.

Further into the date, Shane offered Guy #3 a second date and he took the money to go on a date with Guy #5 instead!

The more chocolates that annoying guy crushed while blindfolded and dressed like Cupid, the further he got from being able to find the chocolate-covered cherry.

As that douchebag of a guy took his date farther from the Next Bus and farther into the golf course, she went further into her dickmatization and actually accepted a date with him.

And that’s that!

(I’ve never watched Next before. Basically, it’s a dating show where a guy or girl gets to date up to five people and yells “Next!” when he or she is done with the person. I felt like I was losing brain cells and becoming more promiscuous just from watching the damn show! That being said, you do get sucked in, and it was a fun way to spend a lazy Sunday afternoon.

Remember when MTV used to play music videos?)

Thanks, Herb, Linda and Shiny Happy Person.

Categories: Ask the Grammar Vandal · Word Choice Errors

This is the greatest sign EVER.

July 29, 2007 · 1 Comment

Enjoy your weekend, everyone! I just saw the film version of The Simpsons (not typing out the actual title because the bad grammar hurts my soul). It was hilarious. Go see it.

Categories: Grammar Errors · Restaurants · Spelling Errors

This is the greatest sign EVER.

July 28, 2007 · 5 Comments

Enjoy your weekend, everyone! I just saw the film version of The Simpsons (not typing out the actual title because the bad grammar hurts my soul). It was hilarious. Go see it.

Categories: Grammar Errors · Restaurants · Spelling Errors

ATGV: Between vs. Among

July 28, 2007 · 3 Comments

DEAR GV:

I heard you on NPR – you’ve chosen a good mission!!!

Would you please write about the difference between ‘between’ and ‘among?’ I never hear ‘among’ anymore. People (newspapers, TV and even NPR) just use ‘between.’ The meeting was between Russia, China and Japan. He decided to share it between Connie, Ronnie and Vonnie. I thought between was for 2 only and among covered 3 or more. Am I wrong? Tell me no.

Thanks for your efforts. It is nice to know someone else grinds teeth when the lovely English language is abused and neglected and treated loosely. I guess misery loves company!

Namaste,
Judith

Judith, thank you for your question!

The answer: generally, you use between for two and among for three or more.

I’ve wondered about this rule on a few occasions. I’ve decided to check a few sources: the AP Stylebook (of course), the Oxford English Dictionary, the Columbia Guide to Standard English, and the University of San Francisco style (which is a combination of AP and Chicago styles).

1) However, what do you say when there’s a war among three countries?
–The war was between Angola, Norway and Papua New Guinea.
–From what I’ve read, it’s okay to use between if there is fighting between Angola and Norway, Norway and Papua New Guinea, and Papua New Guinea and Angola. You must be able to use between with any two choices.
–It’s the same if it were a horse race.
–They’re coming to the finish line, and it’s between Cheery Bosom, Superman’s Flying Low and Sand in my Pants!

2) It’s okay to use between if one or both of the sides consist of multiple elements:
–World War II was between the Allies and Germany, Italy and Japan.

3) If we’re talking about sharing one substance, among is standard:
–He divided the pasta among the four hungry students.

I think Kenneth G. Wilson of The Columbia Guide to Standard English says it best:

Between can be used of as many items as you like if the relationship is one-to-one, however much it may be repeated with different partners: Economic relations between Great Britain, France, and Italy [or between some members of the EEC] are tense at present. Among works with any plural number above two: Among the milling ballplayers, fans, and reporters were the four umpires.

Among the blog enthusiasts of the world, I think mine are the best. :-)

Overall, always use between for two. Use among for three or greater, unless it sounds wrong to you. In that case, use between if you could theoretically use between with any two elements in your sentence.

Categories: Ask the Grammar Vandal · Word Choice Errors

I did it on the T!

July 28, 2007 · 4 Comments

It’s been a while since I outright vandalized anything, so I kept an extra-sharp eye out for any kinds of errors on my commute time.

It didn’t take long — I saw an error on an ad in a red line car.

TEFL CERTIFICATE
“Learn to teach English worldwide”

So we have the quotation marks, and we don’t even have an exclamation point?

Ugh, unwarranted quotes are awful! Are you supposed to imagine a guy in the back who just shouts these lines out?

Location: MBTA Subway, Red Line, between Kendall Square and Central Square

I crossed them out with my trusty Sharpie, which I now keep in my purse at all times.

There we go. Perfect.

That’s the closest shot I got, but the train was a bit bumpy. (I didn’t want to do it while we were at a stop. The MBTA is strict — people weren’t allowed to take pictures until very recently. Still, I didn’t want to press my luck.)

Unwarranted quotes are bad.

I felt like defacing a Budweiser ad that said Beantown on it. I hate the word Beantown. I don’t know of anybody who lives in Boston and actually likes it.

But I could be wrong. Does anyone from Boston out there like Beantown?

Categories: Advertising · Grammar Errors · Grammar Vandalism

ATGV: Between vs. Among

July 27, 2007 · 3 Comments

DEAR GV:

I heard you on NPR – you’ve chosen a good mission!!!

Would you please write about the difference between ‘between’ and ‘among?’ I never hear ‘among’ anymore. People (newspapers, TV and even NPR) just use ‘between.’ The meeting was between Russia, China and Japan. He decided to share it between Connie, Ronnie and Vonnie. I thought between was for 2 only and among covered 3 or more. Am I wrong? Tell me no.

Thanks for your efforts. It is nice to know someone else grinds teeth when the lovely English language is abused and neglected and treated loosely. I guess misery loves company!

Namaste,
Judith

Judith, thank you for your question!

The answer: generally, you use between for two and among for three or more.

I’ve wondered about this rule on a few occasions. I’ve decided to check a few sources: the AP Stylebook (of course), the Oxford English Dictionary, the Columbia Guide to Standard English, and the University of San Francisco style (which is a combination of AP and Chicago styles).

1) However, what do you say when there’s a war among three countries?
–The war was between Angola, Norway and Papua New Guinea.
–From what I’ve read, it’s okay to use between if there is fighting between Angola and Norway, Norway and Papua New Guinea, and Papua New Guinea and Angola. You must be able to use between with any two choices.
–It’s the same if it were a horse race.
–They’re coming to the finish line, and it’s between Cheery Bosom, Superman’s Flying Low and Sand in my Pants!

2) It’s okay to use between if one or both of the sides consist of multiple elements:
–World War II was between the Allies and Germany, Italy and Japan.

3) If we’re talking about sharing one substance, among is standard:
–He divided the pasta among the four hungry students.

I think Kenneth G. Wilson of The Columbia Guide to Standard English says it best:

Between can be used of as many items as you like if the relationship is one-to-one, however much it may be repeated with different partners: Economic relations between Great Britain, France, and Italy [or between some members of the EEC] are tense at present. Among works with any plural number above two: Among the milling ballplayers, fans, and reporters were the four umpires.

Among the blog enthusiasts of the world, I think mine are the best. :-)

Overall, always use between for two. Use among for three or greater, unless it sounds wrong to you. In that case, use between if you could theoretically use between with any two elements in your sentence.

Categories: Ask the Grammar Vandal · Word Choice Errors

I did it on the T!

July 27, 2007 · 5 Comments

It’s been a while since I outright vandalized anything, so I kept an extra-sharp eye out for any kinds of errors on my commute time.

It didn’t take long — I saw an error on an ad in a red line car.

TEFL CERTIFICATE
“Learn to teach English worldwide”

So we have the quotation marks, and we don’t even have an exclamation point?

Ugh, unwarranted quotes are awful! Are you supposed to imagine a guy in the back who just shouts these lines out?

Location: MBTA Subway, Red Line, between Kendall Square and Central Square

I crossed them out with my trusty Sharpie, which I now keep in my purse at all times.

There we go. Perfect.

That’s the closest shot I got, but the train was a bit bumpy. (I didn’t want to do it while we were at a stop. The MBTA is strict — people weren’t allowed to take pictures until very recently. Still, I didn’t want to press my luck.)

Unwarranted quotes are bad.

I felt like defacing a Budweiser ad that said Beantown on it. I hate the word Beantown. I don’t know of anybody who lives in Boston and actually likes it.

But I could be wrong. Does anyone from Boston out there like Beantown?

Categories: Advertising · Grammar Errors · Grammar Vandalism

Apostrophe for the Oakland A’s?

July 27, 2007 · 11 Comments

I received the following inquiry from kiddle97:

Hi Kate,

I was reading the SPOGG (I’m sure you know what Society that is!) newsletter today, and it had an article about you and your grammar vandalism, and so that led me to wonder if maybe you could answer a question for me? My husband and I disagreed about it the other day. I was certain I was correct, and he was certain he was. Can you help? It’s concerning the Oakland Athletics baseball team.

I had written something about the “As” in my blog the other day, and when he was reading it, he told me it needed an apostrophe. I said that there was no way it could need an apostrophe, as it was not possessive and not a conjunction for “Athletics is”. He said it needed one because it was a contraction, supposedly having dropped the letters t,h,l,e,t,i, and c.

Now, granted, you see “A’s” everywhere you go on anything official, but as you have pointed out in your blog, it’s frequently businesses, etc., that need the most help. I’ll be so ashamed if I am wrong, and yet, my husband will almost be proud if he is wrong, because then it will prove, in his words, that “popular culture has won out.” Help!

First of all, thanks for asking, kiddle97! Allow me to begin with the good news. Your husband is incorrect — the apostrophe isn’t meant to replace the letters following the A.

However, A’s is the correct form.

When discussing a single letter in the plural form, one always adds an apostrophe.

I would have received all A’s first quarter senior year if it hadn’t been for the evil Leo P. Kenney and his wild head of hair.

However, one doesn’t add an apostrophe for plurals of multiple letters.

Roughly half the RAs at Fairfield University get fired each year for underage drinking.

Please don’t be ashamed, kiddle97. This is a tough one — even I didn’t know this rule until recently! You’re right, however, to be suspicious about whether Major League Baseball had it right. So many businesses let grammar errors slip through the cracks and don’t find out until long after they’ve blasted them everywhere.

If anyone else has any grammar-related questions, ask away!

Categories: Ask the Grammar Vandal · Businesses